Tuesday, September 10, 2013

Gutenberg Squared

When the relatively new information technology of books hit ancient Greece, Plato was concerned. If reading and writing catch on, he warned, they will have a detrimental effect. Human beings will lose their capacity for memory. Instead of internalizing the information they need, people will just write it down, to consult as needed. Education will degenerate. Instead of learning The Iliad and The Odessy by heart children will just put it on the shelf. The intellect will shrink as knowledge becomes stored outside the human mind.

Plato was the first media critic. Although it might seem easy to assume that Plato was overacting --- the fact remains that Plato was right. People in literate societies do seem to lack memory capacity of those in oral cultures. African tribesmen can still exhibit prodigious feats or memory, reciting seemingly endless genealogies and thousands of lines of tribal epics, while those of us who can read and write rely on Post-its to remind us what to pickup at the grocery store. New information media do affect the way people think, the possibilities of a culture, and its worldview.

Plato was correct to see that the worldview of his beloved Greece, with its tribal virtues, would be undermined by the rise of books. But this new information technology would fit well with the worldview of the ancient Hebrews, who believed that God communicates to human beings primarily through a Book. The Hebrew Bible goes back to the origins or writing itself.  The alphabet, which breaks down sounds of speech into discrete visible symbols makes reading and writing possible and easily learned, was the invention of an ancient Middle Eastern people, the Phoenicians, whose Semitic language is related to Hebrew.

Prayer of a Righteous Man?

Does it say anything about a people's convictions when they claim prayer works and have absolute confidence God will heal their sick but are not that confident about him protecting the congregation's property?
 
How about the confidence shown by others who withhold medical treatment because their faith in God's healing is so great. Why do you suppose we think they are loony for having such a ridiculous faith? While we deny it we really do believe God helps those who help themselves.
 
I for one have never met a righteous man or at least I have not been in their presence when they were saying one of those effective prayers. I have never experienced or observed effective prayer. And from what I observed and experienced no one I know has either. We talk a lot but our prayers are hollow. My experience and observation have been the only way one gets off the prayer list is to die.

Government?

Read Romans 13:1-6. Paul told Christians in Rome their government was not to be feared because God has given it the right to do what they were doing to the people and if they resisted the authorities they were resisting God and will incur judgment.

 

Paul was talking about Caesar and history shows how Caesar treated Christians and apparently under the guidance of God. So let's change a name here and there and see how it reads today.

 

Paul told the people in Libya, the United Nations as well as the countries around the world  Muammar Gaddafi was not a terror to good conduct but to bad and if they would not incur his rath then they should do what is good and receive his approval since Muammar Gaddafi is God's servant. Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists Muammar Gaddafi resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For Muammar Gaddafi is not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for Muammar Gaddafi does not bear the sword in vain for he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

 

Our forefathers did not believe it either otherwise they would never have rebelled. If what Paul said is correct the people of the United States will eventually incur God's wrath. 

 

Wednesday, July 24, 2013

Christianity is a Fantasty

Christian religion is a make-believe religion. Anyone can believe what they want. Christianity is a fantasy.

Sunday, June 23, 2013

Sins and Stocks

Since God can look into the future and see if I am going to be saved or not what purpose is there for him to notch up my sins if he sees down the road I will be saved? We have a tendency to envision we are saved, then lost then saved then lost etc. But are we really? Isn't sin like stocks and other than any residual affect of the sin the only thing that counts is when I cash them in?

Tuesday, June 18, 2013

Science and religion are not in conflict, for their teachings occupy distinctly different domains…..


Pope John Paul II wrote in 1996

 

"Science and religion are not in conflict, for their teachings occupy distinctly different domains…..

 

The lack of conflict between science and religion arises from a lack of overlap between their respective domains of professional expertise---"

 

Science attempts to discover how things are done while the Bible conveys what has been done. Science does not involve itself with "who" and the Bible does not involve itself with "how."

 

Christians believe that God controls history, but they do not object when historians talk about a natural cause-and-effect process. Christians believe God controls the weather, yet they do not denounce meteorologists who produce their weather maps day after day based on the predictability of natural cause-and-effect processes. Why can't evolution be thought of in similar terms?

 

The fact that embryology or meteorology do not identify God's role or that many embryologists and meteorologists do not believe God has a role makes no difference. Christians can accept the results of embryology and meteorology, regardless of the beliefs of the scientists, as processes that Christians believe describe in part God's way of working. Christians do not organize campaigns to force academic institutions that train meteorologists or embryologists to offer the theological alternative of God's role. Why do Christians' respond to evolution differently?

 

Could it be the stories of the creation and the flood are allegorical? The Bible says sin was brought in the world by Adam but also tells us Adam was the third to sin. A serpent with free will was the first, Eve was second and Adam third. Sin was not brought into the world by man but by another member of God's creation a, serpent.

 

If the flood was world wide who did Noah preach to for those 120 years? Who warned those folks who were thousands of miles away from where Noah lived?  If God's creation does not evolve how do we explain the various races and the millions of species?

 

The police would scoff at the notion that crimes can be solved only when they are witnessed directly. The simple fact is we can learn about the past by applying good old-fashioned detective work to the clues that have been left behind.

 

Wouldn't the same rules apply to science? We may not be able to witness the past directly, but we can reach out and analyze it for the simple reason that the past left something behind. That something is the material of the earth itself.

 

Christians need to leave "how" to science and concentrate on "what."

Thursday, May 30, 2013

John Polkinghorne - In Quest of Truth

Religious belief can guide one in life or strengthen one at the approach of death, but unless it is true it can do neither of these things and so would amount to no more than an illusionary exercise in comforting fantasy.

Danger of the Certain

Doubt does not exist within the religion. Regardless that history shows a number of religions that eventually disappeared once their believers died, believers are certain they are right. Science questions everything devotees of religion question little if anything.

 

Stories in the bible such as how we came into existence do not match up with what is known. Biblical stories of the flood are little different than flood history of many civilizations and leave questions believers do not ask.

 

Christian religion teaches there is a loving God who will torture us for ever except for the intercession of Jesus, an innocent who had to be killed to let him intercede. One of the reasons the loving God will torture us for ever is if believers listen to a female teacher.

Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Calvin Coolidge

Leaving the presidency following five and a half years, Calvin Coolidge wrote:

"It is difficult for men in high office to avoid the malady of self-delusion. They are always surrounded by worshippers. They are constantly and for the most part sincerely assured of their greatness."

Did the founders of our country envision professional politicians? Did the early Christians envision professional preachers? Where does the Bible authorize a professional preacher to manage the church office; supervise the office staff; publish the weekly news letter and be the source of biblical knowledge for the congregation all paid for by contributions originally meant for the poor saints in Jerusalem? 

Martin Luther believed anything the Bible does not expressly prohibit, is permissible. Apparently the Church of Christ does too. 

At what point is the church no longer the church but just another man made organization?

Monday, May 20, 2013

Difficult Choice

If God is willing to prevent evil, but not able; he is not omnipotent.

If he is able, but not willing; he is malevolent.

If he is both able and willing; whence cometh evil?

If he is neither able nor willing; why call him God?  

 

---Epicurus

Education Not a Threat

I often hear folks caution students going off to college to not lose their faith. To some, education is a threat in that it brings to light new possibilities including the possibility the Bible does not say what they have been taught it says.

 

An advantage science has that the bible does not share is the thousands of scientists trying to prove it wrong. Science does not reward corroboration and the inability to disprove something lends credibility to it just may be true. Christians rarely challenge what the local congregation's spokesperson tells them the bible says.

 

Most Christians live in a cocoon where everyone is pretty much like the other. When we step outside the cocoon we occasionally see that reality is a bit different than what we believe. 

 

In classes I like to listen to those in the cocoon. Children have angels and that sort of thing. Did you know there is a market in the sex slave business for 4 to 7-year-old girls? Where are the angels? Where is God? On the other hand God will protect us.

 

Recently I read "A Train in Winter" by Caroline Moorehead.  It is the story of 230 women who were either part of the French resistance during the WWII German occupation of France or were in the wrong place at the wrong time; everyday people whose lives were turned into a Hell on earth. But I am sure it would not have happened if they had been Christians. Maybe they just did not pray enough.

 

Maybe "new" does not cause the youth to lose their faith but expand it? Research suggests they want to be more than an audience on Sundays.

 

 

Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Motivation

In the most recent House to House; Heart to Heart the cover article is "do you think you are the only ones going to Heaven?

Later, on page 5, there is All Things Considered; 4 Pictures of Faith. I am not aware the bible tells us their motivation but do you suppose Abraham, David, or Job was focused on being saved or going to Heaven or did Abraham just believe God, David had confidence, or did Job just have hope for a better tomorrow? They had a relationship with God much like with a friend. Do we have or even want a relationship with God or do we follow him only because we want something he has and if it were possible we want it with or without God? The author in one book I have read on the subject asked the question would we be happy in Heaven even if God was not there.  Since people argue that is not possible I ask the question would avoiding Hell be good enough for us. 

Last month when we attended the Church of Christ on Hilton Head Island it struck me like us church is assembling to hear a man talk. Was church to Abraham, David or Job assembling to hear a man talk? Are we just a group of rule-keepers and does that lead us to believe we are the only group keeping all the rules?


John Jenkins
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"I do not feel obliged to believe the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use"

Galileo Galilei, an Italian physicist, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher

 

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Thursday, April 11, 2013

"Youth" and Darwin's Evolution

A while back I mentioned the "youth" of today will give more credibility to Darwin's Natural Selection / Evolution than we do.

Whether we agree with their conclusions or not science believes they are correct and that they can prove it. Creation cannot be taught in schools because it cannot be proved. So far my conclusions after reading several books on the subject stand firmly on the "how can I argue" side. When engineers tell me a computer runs at nano-second speed (a billionth of a second) I do not argue. Without the same tools how can I disagree with their conclusions? When science says the earth is 4.5 billion years without the same tools who can disagree? When Christians say the earth is 10,000 years old they leave a lot of questions unanswered.

Nature abounds in catastrophes, disasters, imperfections, dysfunctions, suffering and cruelty. Tsunamis destroy and kill; volcanoes erase cities; floods and droughts bring ruin to farmers. Scientists say the human jaw is poorly designed, parasites kill millions of humans every year and make additional hundreds of millions sick. About 20 percent of all human pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion during the first two months; that is 20 million natural abortions every year.

There is extreme cruelty in nature i.e. predators eating while the prey remains alive; male leaders killing all the young; when a mother stops nursing she mates. One lion was clocked at 157 matings within a 55 hour period.

Are those the work of a loving creator or the results of the clumsy evolutionary process?

In the January 2010 issue of Smithsonian magazine there is an article about the Dead Sea scrolls. The article says the thousands of tourists who flock to Qumran each year, where the scrolls were discovered, are told the site was once home to a Jewish sect called the Essenes, who devoted their lives to writing and preserving sacred texts. An Israeli archaeologist disagrees, and says the settlement was originally a small fort that was later converted into a pottery factory to serve nearby towns. Which story sounds better to the tourists? Do they want to know the truth or do they want to continue to believe what they want to believe even if it might be false?

The bible is not a science book. We know scientifically that the sun does not move and the earth does not stand still, even though the bible gives examples of both. The bible tells us what God did not how he did it. Science believes they know how he did it at least those scientists who believe in God. The church fought for a long time before it accepted that the earth is not the center of the universe. Today what the church needs to understand is the complete story of creation. Refusing to discuss it or to learn about it does not help. To declare it a miracle stops all discussion possibly leaving the truth undiscovered. Do Christians want to know truth? I am curious to know Brad Harrub's opinions.

 


John Jenkins
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"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment."

--- Will Rogers (1879-1935)

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"Youth" and Darwin's Evolution

A while back I mentioned the "youth" of today will give more credibility to Darwin's Natural Selection / Evolution than we do.

Whether we agree with their conclusions or not science believes they are correct and that they can prove it. Creation cannot be taught in schools because it cannot be proved. So far my conclusions after reading several books on the subject  stand firmly on the "am not convinced" side. When engineers tell me a computer runs at nano-second speed (a billionth of a second) I do not argue. Without the same tools how can I disagree with their conclusions? When science says the earth is 4.5 billion years without the same tools who can disagree? When Christians say the earth is 10,000 years old they leave a lot of questions unanswered.

Nature abounds in catastrophes, disasters, imperfections, dysfunctions, suffering and cruelty. Tsunamis destroy and kill; volcanoes erase cities; floods and droughts bring ruin to farmers. Scientists say the human jaw is poorly designed, parasites kill millions of humans every year and make additional hundreds of millions sick. About 20 percent of all human pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion during the first two months; that is 20 million natural abortions every year.

There is extreme cruelty in nature i.e. predators eating while the prey remains alive; male leaders killing all the young; when a mother stops nursing she mates. One lion was clocked at 157 matings within a 55 hour period.   

Are those the work of a loving creator or the results of the clumsy evolutionary process?

In the January 2010 issue of Smithsonian magazine there is an article about the Dead Sea scrolls. The article says the thousands of tourists who flock to Qumran each year, where the scrolls were discovered, are told the site was once home to a Jewish sect called the Essenes, who devoted their lives to writing and preserving sacred texts. An Israeli archaeologist disagrees, and says the settlement was originally a small fort that was later converted into a pottery factory to serve nearby towns. Which story sounds better to the tourists?  Do they want to know the truth or do they want to continue to believe what they want to believe even if it might be false?

The bible is not a science book. We know scientifically that the sun does not move and the earth does not stand still, even though the bible gives examples of both. The bible tells us what God did not how he did it. Science believes they know how he did it at least those scientists who believe in God. The church fought for a long time before it accepted that the earth is not the center of the universe. Today what the church needs to understand is the complete story of creation. Refusing to discuss it or to learn about it does not help. To declare it a miracle stops all discussion. But the truth may still be hidden. Do Christians want to know the truth? I am curious to know Brad Harrub's conclusions.  



John Jenkins
865-803-8179  cell
Gatlinburg, TN




Email: jrjenki@gmail.com
Blogs: http://littlepigeon.blogspot.com/
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"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment."

--- Will Rogers (1879-1935)

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Wednesday, April 10, 2013

Christians Live in a Fantasy World of Prayer

Every week I receive emails encouraging me to pray for Janelle Arthur to continue on American Idol. Paul Jolley is also a member of the Church of Christ but was eliminated early in the Top 10 competition. So much for God helping members of the church.

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Silly Story

It is said that the bible starts with a silly, unscientific story of how the world was made in seven days.  Christians are disturbed by the fact that those who take the bible seriously do not agree on the creation account. Some think the only faithful interpretation is the young-earth, literal view of the Genesis days that was made famous by Archbishop Ussher (1581 – 1656) who gave 4004 BC as the date of the origin of the earth. His calculation, based on the days in Genesis 1 as twenty-four-hour days of one earth week at the beginning of the universe does not coincide with current scientific estimate of around four billion years.

 

Others hold the text can be understood in agreement with contemporary science. Such old earth creationists are split over the validity of Darwin's theory of evolution. Others argue that the Genesis account was written to communicate timeless theological truth and attempts to harmonies with science are misguided.

OT Not Written To Us

The Old Testament does communicate to us and it was written for us and for all people. But it was not written to us. It was written to Israel and through Israel to everyone else. Since it was written to Israel it is in a language that most of us do not understand, and therefore requires translation.  But the language is not the only aspect that needs to be translated. Language assumes a culture, operates in a culture, serves a culture, and is designed to communicate into the framework of a culture. Consequently, when we read a text written in another language and addressed to another culture we must translate the culture as well as the language if we hope to understand the text fully. 8

Christians Argue for ID

When Christians argue for intelligent design (ID) to be taught in public schools they typically avoid explicit reference to God.

 

They argue ID is scientific rather than religious and occasionally suggest the designer could be a space alien or a time-traveling cell biologist but they offer no serious alternative to God as a designer. ID's religious nature is evident because it involves a supernatural designer. In one court case the judge observed, "that several individuals who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind their ID policy.

 

In Matters Obscure

Concerning teaching evolution in schools Christians need to understand that science is here to stay. Regardless the flaws and unknowns Christians may see in scientific knowledge, science will continue its attempt to solve the puzzles of the world of nature; evolution.

The church's condemnation of Galileo did not bring astronomy to a halt. Quite the opposite we have a more informed awareness of the universe.

Those who find fault with the theory of evolution may want to keep it out of the school curriculum but millions of dollars will continue to fund thousands of scientists doing research of evolution.  Thousands of scientists are doing everything they can to overthrow the current theory of evolution and so far have been not succeeded. On the other hand Christians do not question their convictions.

Nature abounds in catastrophes, disasters, imperfections, dysfunctions, suffering and cruelty. Tsunamis destroy and kill; volcanoes erase cities such as Pompei and Herculaneum, killing all their citizens; floods and droughts bring ruin to farmers. The human jaw is poorly designed, parasites kill millions of humans every year and make additional hundreds of millions sick. About 20 percent of all human pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion during the first two months. That is 20 million natural abortions every year. Is that the work of a loving creator or the results of the clumsy evolutionary process?  

--- Augustine of Hippo (354 - 480) with specific reference to Genesis said:

"In matters that are so obscure and far beyond our vision, we find in Holy Scripture passages which can be interpreted in very different ways without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such cases, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search for truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it."

 

 

 



Saturday, March 23, 2013

Which Sixth Grade?

Folks say the bible was written at the sixth-grade level the question is which sixth-grade? The six-grade today is more advanced than the sixth-grade of hundred years ago which was more advanced than the equivalent 1,000 years before that which was more advanced than the equivalent in the time of Moses. So which sixth-grade do they mean?

 

The books of the bible were written at a level that was comprehendible by the people living at the time.

Concerning Science

Concerning science Christians continue to believe the sun rises and sets, the moon shines and the sky is blue all proven by science to be not true.

God Does Not Protect the Innocent

Recently there were stories in the news of a woman babysitting for a child put that child in cold bath water and set the child outside in the cold weather. The child's body temperature was around 87 degrees. Another story was of a couple who punished their child by putting him in an oven. But Christians continue to groupthink that God is in control and will answer their prayers for safety, health and comforts. Folks around here are "rooting for Reagan." Why would God select Reagan out of the thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of children who die each day of sickness, ill treatment of the people around them? If God is not going to protect the innocent of his creation he will not protect anyone. Christians also believe God knew those children were going to be tortured and still caused them to be born. Did God cause or let? As with those children and thousands like them God will let bad things happen to Christians whose prayers land on deaf ears.

 

Evolution 1 Creation 0

One advantage evolution has over creation, which supports its veracity, is the fact that scientists around the world are trying to disprove evolution while Christians continue to groupthink that the days of creation in Genesis were 24-hour days and the earth is 6,000 years-old.

 

More than 100 insect species have developed resistance to DDT in parts of the world where spraying has been intense. Although these species had never encountered this synthetic compound, mutations gave them some advantage that allowed them to survive in its presence. That adaptation was rapidly multiplied by natural selection.

 

The same goes for disease-causing bacteria and parasites to antibiotics and other drugs as a consequence of the same process. When an individual receives an antibiotic that specifically kills the bacteria causing a disease such as tuberculosis the majority of bacteria die but some may have a mutation that provides resistance to the antibiotic. These resistant bacteria will survive and multiply and that antibiotic will no longer cure the disease. That survival is considered natural selection.

 

Evolution is considered known science today while creation cannot be known and is unprovable
 
Those factual examples cause me to wonder how natural selection has affected human-beings.

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Monday, March 18, 2013

What Government Prohibits Government May Permit

Recently a republican announced he has changed his position on the subject and now supports same-sex marriage. Also recently Hillary Clinton announced she has now changed her position on the subject and supports same-sex marriage. It appears the subject is gaining momentum. What I have suggested appears to be coming to be and that is when Christians depend upon government to support their moral views they must be prepared to accept what government prohibits government may permit.



Saturday, March 16, 2013

The Real Problem

Reference previous email, the field of science called embryology offers a complex sequence of naturalistic cause-and-effect for the development of a child. Christians' biblical belief does not associate God's work only with those aspects that remain a mystery. God is involved with the entire process start to finish.  He made us so that the process can work the way it does and Christians believe each child is his handiwork. To accept that does not require that Christians reject the science of embryology.


This is also true in history. Christians believe that God is in control of history and shapes events moment by moment. Despite that claim no historian is able to see God's hand clearly, though depending on one's presuppositions one may conclude that God is at work. Some of those conclusions would be the result of incredible coincidences, while others would be the result of that which is otherwise unexplainable.


Christians believe that God controls history, but they do not object when historians talk about a natural cause-and-effect process. Christians believe God controls the weather, yet they do not denounce meteorologists who produce their weather maps day to day based on the predictability of natural cause-and-effect processes. Why can't evolution be thought of in similar terms?


It would be unacceptable to adopt an evolutionary view as a process without God. It would equally unacceptable to adopt history, embryology or meteorology as processes without God. The fact that embryology or meteorology do not identify God's role or that many embryologists and meteorologists do not believe God has a role makes a difference. Christians can accept the results of embryology and meteorology, regardless of the beliefs of the scientists, as processes that Christians believe describe in part God's way of working. Christians do not organize campaigns to force academic institutions that train meteorologists or embryologists to offer the theological alternative of God's role. Why do you suppose Christians' response to evolution is any different?


Do you suppose Christians' misunderstanding the true meaning of Genesis 1, 2, and 3 is the cause of the disagreement?

Science and Christianity

Have you considered the debate between evolution and creationism concerns how not who? No matter what science says Christians say God did it. That would be correct no matter what science suggests. 

David said "You knit me together in my mother's womb." This and other statements in the bible credit God as creator of each human being in the womb. This act of creation is not instantaneous but involves a process. Yet it is the work of God. This process is well understood by science. From the process of fertilization, implantation, fetal development and birth, scientists find that which is explainable, predictable, and regular. Science offers a complex sequence of naturalistic cause and effect for the development of a child yet life remains a mystery.

Christians base their disagreement with evolutionists on their belief Genesis 1,2 and 3 are literal but are they? We know sin did not enter the world through Adam. The bible tells us that by the time Adam sinned two members of the creation had sinned, the serpent and Eve. Sin entered the world through the serpent that had a conversation with Eve. Sin did not literally enter the world through Adam so Adam must represent human kind. If Adam is not literal maybe the rest of the account is not also. 

Historically  the church has been wrong when science differed with current Christian beliefs. What science has going for it that Christians do not is the fact that every scientist would love to disprove the theory of evolution. So far they have been unable to do that but not due to the lack of effort. Christians only challenge those who differ with them never those who agree with them.


Saturday, March 9, 2013

Death in the Garden?

 

 

 

Paul told the church at Rome "just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin and in this way death came to all men because all sinned." First of all we know sin entered the world through the serpent then Eve not Adam. By the time Adam sinned two of God's creation had sinned. Second sin was not a direct cause of death but the reason God used to take away Adam and Eve's contact with the tree of life. Allowing for free will, if Adam and Eve had chosen to not take advantage of the tree of life they would have died without sin. In a manner of speaking the Serpent was right but failed to take into account God's taking the tree of life away.

 

Some folks have decided that Paul's statement in Romans means there was no death at any level prior to the entrance of sin. But the verse does not say that. Paul is talking about how death came to people and why all humanity is subject to death. Just because death came to us as a result of Eve's sin does not mean death did not exist at any level prior to that point.

 

On the third day we have the description of the process by which plants grow. The cycle of sprouting leaves, flowers, fruit and seeds involves death at every stage. The system functions with death as part of it.

 

Likewise with animals: it is obvious when we look at predatory meat eaters to see that the food chain involves death. A caterpillar eating a leaf brings death. A bird eating the caterpillar brings death. Fish eating insects brings death. If animals and insects did not die they would overwhelm their environment and the ecology would suffer. Our skin has an outer layer of dead cells and we know Adam had skin. Consider the manner in which predators kill. Unless God punished the animals for Eve's sin pain would have been experienced by the prey prior to the serpent.

 

All this indicates that death did exist in the garden before sin. Resistance to death was not due to Adam and Eve having immoral bodies but was due to having access to the tree of life.

 

Some folks explain all that away by saying God limited the reproduction of the insects and all animals were vegetarian. The great thing about religion is everyone is comfortable with what they want to believe.

 

We talk about a car flying down the road. Our meaning is the car is moving quickly. If we found that in the bible we would be taught that car's fly. We talk about the day of the lord. We are told day means twenty-four hours so apparently the lord only had twenty four hours? We have to look beyond the words and find the meaning.



John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN




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"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" 
 
--- Will Rogers (1879-1935)

 

 

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Limiting Sources of Information

Years ago Robert Townsend wrote a book Up the Organization. At the time he thought a CEO should not remain with a corporation longer than five years due to Townsend's opinion that if the CEO remained longer the CEO's personality would override the corporation's personality.  Ideas would be lost due to people thinking, the CEO would never go for that one so it was never suggested; new CEO new thinking etc.

 

Recently I saw where a preacher was being honored for being with the same congregation for fifty-years. While those folks were proud I thought how sad. For fifty years that congregation must have a very narrow view of scriptures due to being limited to one man's beliefs, opinions etc for half a century. GSMCOC has been limited to one man's views, opinions etc for around twenty years. Ideas have been lost due to people thinking HE would never go for that one so it was never suggested.

 

This could be among the numerous reasons for the church shrinking relative to the population as well as to it self. Congregations dulled by the thinking of one man. For example during Gary's first budget presentation he suggested the congregation become more involved in Honduras i.e. sending local people to visit and encourage. When Al stood up to "pee of the pulpit" the first thing he said was sending is as good as going. He shot down Gary's idea before it was cold. The people to whom Jesus was speaking had no choice. We have a choice because Jesus was not speaking to us. Gary is right if we want to support the work. Al is right because we have no responsibility in that area.

 

No where does the bible suggest or encourage our practice of paying a hireling to minister to the congregation. David Lipscomb was against paid preachers due to the logical conclusion the preacher would preach to keep his job instead of preaching the bible. We are dull because we choose to limit our sources of information.

Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Genesis

 

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" but when it comes to the timing and means of creation, particularly the interpretation of the sequence of days with which Genesis begins people have found the Bible not as easy to understand. Some believe the Bible "starts with a very silly, unscientific story of how the world was made in seven days." Even those who take the Bible seriously do not agree on the interpretation of the creation account.

 

Archbishop Ussher gave 4004 BC as the date for the origin of the earth. His calculation, based on taking the days of Genesis 1 as twenty-four hour days of one earth week at the beginning of the universe was quite different that the current scientific estimate of around four billion years.

 

Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in The Literal Meaning of Genesis wrote:

 

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience.

 

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.

 

The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience in the light of reason?

 

Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although "they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. "[1 Timothy 1.7]

 

 

Galileo Galilei, an Italian physicist, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher wrote:

 

"I do not feel obliged to believe the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use"

 

Might be a motto for Christians today.

 

 

Monday, March 4, 2013

God's Intervention

When we ask God to intervene we are asking him to cause something to happen or to let something happen that we believe would not have happen or may not have happened without his intervention.

 

Perhaps on rare occasions God does perform miracles but for the most part the existence of free will and of order in the physical universe are facts. While we might wish for such miraculous deliverance to occur more often frequent miraculous interventions would be at least as chaotic in the physical realm as they would be in interfering with human acts of free will.

 

On the subject of pain of human existence, If God is loving and wishes the best for us, then perhaps his plan is not the same as our plan.  This a hard concept if we have been too regularly spoon-fed a version of God's benevolence that implies nothing more on his part than a desire for us to be perpetually happy.

Folks Who Have Never Heard about Jesus

Yesterday, Bob mentioned, groups of people in Africa who had never heard the gospel and how God knew their hearts etc. I don't know if he was being hypothetical for an illustration or not but there are such people at least in South America such as the Nukak tribe, 1,200 isolated Indians who inhabited the forests close to Rio Pure National Park.
 
In 1981, a U.S. evangelical group, traveled into their territory without permission of the Nukak and, with gifts of machetes and axes, enticed some of the families to their camp. This contact convinced other Nukaks to seek similar gifts from the settlers at the edge of their territory. This set in motion a downward spiral leading to the deaths of hundreds of Nukaks from respiratory infections, violent clashes with land grabbers and drug traffickers and dispersal of the survivors.

 

Hundreds were forcibly displaced to the town of San Jose Del Guevara where they are living and dying in terrible conditions. They are fed, receive money from the government, and similar to our Native Americans live in squalor. Assimilation has brought poverty, alcoholism, unemployment or utter dependence on outsiders.

 

This all was done with the intent to save their souls.

 

During their search for people living in the rain forest, groups make daily aerial reconnaissance. One day a team reported that thick drifting clouds made it impossible to get a prolonged view of the rain forest floor. Several structures within an area of about five-square miles were sighted but the dwellings never stayed visible long enough to photograph them. They would see a structure and a cloud would close in quickly. The cloud cover and a storm that sprang up out of nowhere and pushed their airplane around left the team with one conclusion: the tribe had called upon its shamans to send the intruders a message and was making them pay for what they were doing.

 

As Bob mentioned in the bible class yesterday in his story of the flat tire was that Satan or the Holy Spirit?



John Jenkins
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Friday, March 1, 2013

Trillion Dollar Coin vs Wampum

There has been some talk that the Federal government should settle the national debt by minting a platinum coin and arbitrarily give it a trillion dollar valuation. Native Americans did something similar when they gave great value to what they called wampum. Wampum was considered valuable because shells were difficult to find, did not exist everywhere and there was intensive labor involved. What we would consider trinkets were consider valuable by Native Americans. Other than just because we say it is what could make any coin worth a trillion dollars?



In early America there was the argument over how much profit a pious person should make on a given transaction called the "fair price" controversy in the Puritan communities. Our culture does not understand the question.  Free market theory dictates one motive in economic culture: getting the max. Early colonists combined piety and humility into their economic lives. Spiritual considerations. There is the story about the English merchant, Robert Keayne, who couldn't stop confessing the sin of overcharging. Keayne was a Puritan tradesman from London who made it big and set up trade over here and got caught up in overcharging.



He wrote of his remorse in his 50,000 word will, 158 pages, which explored the whole business of revaluing, of cheating, etc.  The question he addressed was could you be a Christian and make money.



Some argued that Protestants were driven to make money and create urban centers of wealth to display it because these were an external sign that one had been saved, chosen by God to enter into his grace and be redeemed. But in fact most of the Protestant heretics who settled America believed that salvation was a matter between God and the individual, no matter what their bank balance---and that too much wealth could signify the opposite of sanctification: greed and spiritual degradation. Thus the "fair price" controversy called the "Puritan "double bind." They were against exhibitionism. There were moral prohibitions against making as much as you possibly could---that's not good! You have to do it within constraints.  



Compare that with our wealth worshiping culture, our attitude toward the "1 percent"---envy and moral disapproval. Maybe judges should sentence insider traders to write a 50,000-word apology while in prison. 

 

 


John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN




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"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" 
 
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Christians Controlling Government

On the subject of Christians influencing government, when the founders of the United States added the 8th amendment to the Constitution prohibiting excessive bail, extensive fines, and cruel and unusual punishment they did not have the prick of a needle (our lethal injection) in mind. They were used to punishments such as "flaying alive" and being "drawn and quartered."

 

Do you know what being "flayed alive" means?  The prisoner was tied to a stake hands above his head and his feet secured. Skin was removed from head to toe; the prisoner was disemboweled while still alive. There were other procedures but the prisoner customarily died before the punishment was completed.

 

How about "drawn and quartered; the convicted was hanged, by the neck, until almost dead; strapped down and their abdominal area sliced open, their bowels and genitals would be removed and burn before their eyes; beheaded by an axe; their body divided into four sections (quartered) and, along with their head, put on public display in an attempt to deter people from similar crimes. For reasons of public decency, women convicted of similar crimes were instead burnt at the stake. With modifications the punishment was on the books in England until 1870. The most famous case was Guy Faux who was convicted of trying to blow up parliament. His mistake was thinking he could beat the system. When the rope was around his neck he jumped thinking he would break his neck but he broke the rope. He then went through the final steps fully conscious.  England has holiday, Guy Faux Day.

 

Witchcraft was a capital crime. The legal precedent cited by the devoutly Puritan colonists was the bible; biblical passages such as Exodus 22:18 ("Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live") and Leviticus 20:27 ("A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death"). Problem was there were no witches but that did not stop Christians from thinking there were some.

 

These punishments were enforced by Christians (?) so when the subject is Christians in government we have to be careful. Our war for freedom from Britain was conducted by people who believed owning and mistreating human beings was acceptable behavior and did not want anyone to vote who was not a white protestant, male, land owner.
 
Now presume you are not one of the selected would you still want Christians running the government?

Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Transgender Children

Al,

Several months ago you mentioned that you consider homosexuality a choice. While I have no expertise it appears curious that people who have chosen to be gay find it difficult to tell their family and friends. I would think they would be proud of their decision. Recently I saw an article concerning a 6-year-old transgender girl being banned from using the girls' bathroom at her Fountain, Colorado public school.

The parents have four other children, including a set of triplets, one of which is Coy. Apparently Coy, a Girl Scout who loves pink, began gravitating toward girls' toys and clothes by 18 months. Gender eventually turned into a bigger issue when Coy asked, at age 4, "When are we going to go to the doctor to get me fixed so I can be a girl?" A psychologist confirmed then that Coy was indeed transgender.

That led to allowing Coy to "transition" into girlhood in school, which meant dressing as a female, lining up with the other girls and using the girls' restroom.

The change in Coy after she transitioned at school was said to be amazing. The anxiety went away, the depression went away. She became happy. Coy has many friends and that they have not had any problems with or complaints from any of the other children's parents.

I knew adults liked to transgender I did not realize it began with children.

Months ago I heard an interview of a woman who is considered a chimera.  She had written a book, of course, of her experience. She needed a kidney transplant and when her two sons were tested for a match it was determined she was not the parents of either. It took a couple of years but it was determined she had two sets of DNA and was diagnosed as a chimera. From what I have read that could affect an individual's sexuality.

Do the professionals have an opinion on the subject and religion? Looking ahead can the boys grow to be elders and girls elder's wives? This could get confusing 


John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN




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God, like a quarterback gets credit and blame for things he does not deserve

Last night, in the discussion of God sending storms and earthquakes in response to my comment that I did not realize those states were so godless New Orleans was mentioned as an example of people deserving of God's wrath. God apparently needs a new gps because he missed the French Quarter. It is not true every event comes from God. If a child dies of crib death, it's God's will. If my home is destroyed by a tornado it must be part of Gods' eternal plan and we, the object of God's wrath, have no right to complain.

Such allegations suggest God is as likely to main and kill me as he is to save me. That is not very comforting and I don't believe it. But apparently I am in the minority.

Remember the story in John about the blind man and the disciples asking if the man had sinned or his parents? That is an odd question. How could the man sin before he was born? I wonder if the disciples were that gullible or does life begin before conception? I believe the view of the majority at GSMCOC is that the man was born blind just so Jesus could heal him. How would you like that; a life of blindness just so Jesus could have someone to heal? Imagine all those people killed and injured and all that damage and in his wrath God missed the French Quarter.

Making God both the cause of blindness and the source of healing is a dangerous theology. Munchausen-by-proxy is a condition in which a parent secretly harms his or her child in order to gain the attention and praise for the child's care and healing. When humans do this we call it a mental illness. Yet we, as the disciples did, attribute this behavior to God. God becomes the source of evil and pain but cleverly redeems himself by healing the very ones he has stricken.

We need to take the Old Testament for what it is, history.

Friday, February 15, 2013

Amos and the Rabbis

In the opening chapters of Amos there is a series of condemnations on the various nations for three transgressions and for four. From this rabbis deduced that God's forgiveness extended to three offenses and that he punishes the sinner on the fourth. Rabbis did not believe a man could be more gracious than God they limited forgiveness to three times.

When Peter asked Jesus "How many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Seven times seemed extravagant to him since Jewish tradition suggested three times was adequate.
 
Fodder for classes would be situations where folks in the NT learned that what they had been taught the scriptures said their entire lives is no longer valid.. And would be react the same way.
 
If the NT is not scriptures since they were not included what Timothy had known and learned since he was young are they inspired? Was Luke inspired or just an historian? He says he was an historian and never claims to be inspired. Purpose would be to help folks understand believing something does not make it true.