Sunday, December 28, 2008

Liberals vs Jehovah God / Homosexuality


Throughout the Bible one can easily find that God condemns homosexuality and promises that those who participate in such will not be among those saved. Condemnation of adultery and fornication as well as a host of other sins are also easily found along with similar promise.

People who do not accept the Bible as the Word of God will not understand but one thing is for sure, homosexuality is not natural, it is not reproducible. It is an oddity. But then again most people who support homosexuality believe the universe "just happened" if that is not ludicrous.

But, as long as our "Christian" country permits adulterers and fornicators to enjoy the same legal benefits as married couples, homosexuals must be permitted the same benefits.

Gay marriage is a legal issue not a moral issue. People who participate do not recognize the Bible and thus do not recognize morality.

There will never be agreement so we must give gay people the same legal privileges as we have given adulterers and agree to disagree.



Regards,
John Jenkins

865-803-8179 cell
Gatlinburg, TN
Email: jrjenki@yahoo.com

Website: http://www.greenbriersolutions.com/
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Kinetic Energy: Pass It On.


Context ect.

When we are attempting to find support for a position we have taken we use Christians in the centuries directly following the 1st century and the Restoration folks. If we cannot support our belief with the bible we open ourselves to the criticism the Bible is not enough and apparently that would be true.

 

Concerning context, etc, I do not relate to Paul's comment "while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."   Unless I existed before I was conceived, (some people believe I did) Jesus died for me before I was a sinner, actually before I was. On the other hand, it is likely based on their ages that while Paul and the Romans were sinners Jesus died for them. I cannot explain why we say Paul was speaking of me, today.

 

You mentioned Bible ignorance of Christians. While Paul had missed it before he was made an apostle it Luke tells us twice that Saul/Paul used the scriptures to prove the Christ had to suffer and that Jesus was the Christ. It might be useful if we could use the Old Testament to prove the same thing.

 

Forty years ago I had a friend who lived in American Fork, Utah. He was and probably still is a Mormon. Dick was confident in what he believed and it did not upset him if you disagreed with him. We should have the same outlook and not get upset when someone disagrees with us. If we assumed the position that we want to do things we can find in the Bible, if others want to do something else it is no skin off our nose. We need to have confidence in what we believe regardless of the number of people who agree with us.…

 


Thursday, December 18, 2008

Sacrifice Adds to the Value of an Activity

It would seem worth considering for the congregation in its educational program to offer training in the skill of public reading of scripture. All interested could develop their skills and their appreciation for the importance of this work. These people could become readers of the Word in the assembly and the reading of the Word would be held in higher honor.
 
"But the king said to Araunah, 'No, but I will buy it from you for a price. I will not offer burnt offerings to the Lord my God that cost me nothing.' " ---2 Samuel 24:24
 
 
 
 
Psalm 19:7-10
    The law of the Lord is perfect,
        reviving the soul;
    the testimony of the Lord is sure,
        making wise the simple;
    [8] the precepts of the Lord are right,
        rejoicing the heart;
    the commandment of the Lord is pure,
        enlightening the eyes;
    [9] the fear of the Lord is clean,
        enduring forever;
    the rules of the Lord are true,
        and righteous altogether.
    [10] More to be desired are they than gold,
        even much fine gold;
    sweeter also than honey
        and drippings of the honeycomb.


Regards,
John Jenkins
865-803-8179 cell
Gatlinburg, TN
Email: jrjenki@yahoo.com 

Kinetic Energy: Pass It On.

Public Reading of the Scriptures

On the subject of scripture reading in the assembly we might want to ask what place should there be in our meetings for the simple reading of scripture. Do the ready availability of Bible copies and the common ability to read remove the need for public reading in the assembly? What would be the purpose, what would be accomplished? Does it meet Paul's test---does it edify?
 
"Guard your steps when you go to the house of God. To draw near to listen is better than to offer the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they are doing evil."  ------Ecclesiastes 5:1
 
Preaching is filtered through the preacher. It is a collection of his thoughts and his understanding of what the word means. It is the preacher speaking, not God.
 
The public reading of the Word in our assemblies will provide opportunity to show the esteem in which the Word is held by these people of God.
 
"Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching.  [14] Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you."  ---1 Timothy 4:13, 14
 
"They read from the book, from the Law of God, clearly, and they gave the sense, so that the people understood the reading." ---Nehemiah 8:8
 
The reader must first understand the message. The reading describe by Nehemiah was done by Ezra and the Levites. They were professionals trained in this skill. Paul instructed Timothy to devote himself to the public reading of scripture, as well as to preaching and teaching.
 
It is difficult to give a reading the inflections, pauses, and emphasis that will give meaning unless the reader has first gotten the meaning. It is difficult to convey to others a meaning that is not perceived by the reader. Stumbling over words, pauses in the wrong places, and incorrect emphasis all show that the reader did not respect his take enough to properly prepare to lead the congregation in showing esteem for the word of God. This is not to say that mistakes will not be made. But it is to say that the general level of performance of the reader will be a reasonably good gauge of the importance placed upon the reading of scripture by that congregation. Scripture is to be read clearly and in a way to give the meaning.
 
The reader stands between God and the people, and the people are either helped or hindered in getting God's message by the skill of the reader. Our assembly is to edify. Malachi had strong words for the priests and people of his day who offered inferior sacrifices to God.
 
Malachi 1:7-8
    By offering polluted food upon my altar. But you say, 'How have we polluted you?' By saying that the Lord's Table may be despised.  [8] When you offer blind animals in sacrifice, is that not evil? And when you offer those that are lame or sick, is that not evil? Present that to your governor; will he accept you or show you favor? says the Lord of hosts. 
 
"By offering polluted food upon my altar. But you say, 'How have we polluted you?' By saying that the Lord's table may be despised.  [8] When you offer blind animals in sacrifice, is that not evil? And when you offer those that are lame or sick, is that not evil? Present that to your governor; will he accept you or show you favor? says the Lord of hosts." --- Malachi 1:7-8
 
We are careful to select people to lead our singing who have both the skill and the maturity to help us approach God in singing. Both the lyrics and the music of the songs are written by men. Should we use less care in selecting those who read the holy scriptures to us?
 
   
 
   
 
 
   
 
 
   
 


Regards,
John Jenkins
865-803-8179 cell
Gatlinburg, TN
Email: jrjenki@yahoo.com 

Entropy, It ain't what it used to be.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Men's Meeting - Length of Worship Service

Hi Fellows,
When the printing press was developed there was a concern that if machine-printed manuscripts were widely available, students would not have to memorize lectures or even listen to them. If they had a question, they could just look it up in their own personal collection of cheap machine-printed manuscripts. Wouldn't this lead to lazy students who can't remember anything?
They were right. Christians generally are lazy when it comes to reading the Bible. The person who does not read has no advantage over the person who cannot read. It is equally true the person who does not read the Bible has no advantage over the person who does not have access to the Bible.
When we consider men died making the Bible available to the most common among us, not reading the Bible makes us look like ingrates or possibly just shows us to be the ingrates we are.
With the advent of the printing presses and wide distribution of copies of the Bible, public reading of scripture in our assemblies declined. The simple, lengthy reading of scripture is not usually a part of our services. A short reading, usually as a text or starting point for the sermon is common. It is also common for there to be no reading apart from what is done in the sermon. Contemporary or traditional makes no difference; little attention is given to the Bible and the only explanation can be is it takes to much time and is boring. The people don't want it.
Surveys show individuals owning several copies of the Bible do not lead to regular Bible reading.
If time is of the essence maybe we need to first decide why we meet at all. If reading the Word of God takes too much time, if we spend too much time talking with God, if the Lord's Supper takes too much time, if singing all the stanzas of the song takes too much time, if the people complain the sermon is too long, the question might well be why get together at all? Think of all the time and money that would be saved if we never met.
Doesn't make sense does it? Maybe time is not as important as we think.


Regards,
John Jenkins

865-803-8179 cell
Gatlinburg, TN
Email:
jrjenki@yahoo.com

Website: http://www.greenbriersolutions.com/
Blog: http://littlepigeon.blogspot.com/

Entropy, It ain't what it used to be.

Monday, December 8, 2008

Gospel Advocate November 2008 Editorial, Trojan Horses:

 
 
I agree with your concern that modern-day Trojan horses are appearing within the church of Christ. You mention certain brethren have carefully worked from within for more than 50 years, gathering followers etc. That coincides with the 50 years of uninvolved parents, unsupervised Youth Ministers, Youth Rallies with mixed messages, preachers riding roughshod over local leadership and unqualified and Bible-illiterate Elders. Congregations setting up rules such as no smoking, no long hair, no earrings, and no casual dress any of which disqualifies one from serving Communion or leading prayers. Being confident we have the Sunday "worship" correct what the Bible says about loving, serving, evangelizing does not mean us. Congregations relying more on the "Restoration Fathers" than the Bible. Trying and failing to explain how "women being silent in the church" does not include singing and commenting in classes. Trying and failing to explain how women serving communion is usurping leadership roles designed for men. Claiming we are commanded to worship although we cannot find support for that assertion in the New Testament. Trying and failing to explain how listening to announcements is worship; singing to each other is worship; praying for ourselves is worship; contributing primarily to our own comfort is worship; listening to a preacher is worship. The writer of Hebrews said we meet to encourage each other to love and good works. Paul said everything should be done for the building up of the congregation. Tradition says "No! We meet to worship!"
 
Considering we say we rely on commands, examples, and "necessary inferences" it is fascinating how much we do is without any of those.
 
The problem yet addressed is the "Traditional" is not working. Churches are fading away. We read comments about the lack of young men wanting to "fill the pulpit."  Can we find the concept, in the Bible, of contracting with a man to preach to the congregation twice on Sunday, to teach one or two classes each week, publish a bulletin, visit the sick, preach funerals, marry our members, all while being on call 24x7? Has anyone considered these young men do not want to run a local congregation? Maybe they want to preach the Gospel to the unsaved. Why would anyone want to preach to a congregation week after week year after year when research shows that within 2 hours no one remembers what the sermon was about? These are the same people who want to fire the preacher if he is not entertaining or preaches too long.
 
I agree with your concern about the Trojan horses but I am willing to admit the church must try something different than what has failed the past 50 years. Sesame Street changed the way schools teach. Still teaching the same reading, writing, and arithmetic but in a different way. The Gospel is the same we must take it to people in ways different than they did it during the Restoration Movement or even in New Testament times.  Of course "traditional" congregations will not like it; generally they do not evangelize now.

Sunday, December 7, 2008

For your cogitation

For your cogitation
 
1 John 1:5-7
    This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.  [6] If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.  [7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 

John first says that God is light then he writes God is in the light, With the disclaimer that God is not limited to time and space is there a difference between the two: God being light and God being in the light? IF there is a difference what is it?


Regards,
John Jenkins
865-803-8179 cell
Gatlinburg, TN
Email: jrjenki@yahoo.com 

Entrophy, It ain't what it used to be.

Saturday, December 6, 2008

When are they supposed to know?

Hi Guys,
 
I watched a biography of Jimi Hendrix the other night.
 
His mother was 16 when he was born and was pretty much uninvolved in raising him as was his father. Jimi spent a lot of time in foster care. He was average student, peaceful, generally a nice guy, liked music. When he was 18 he went into the Airborne, broke and ankle and was discharged. He liked playing guitar and had some pretty weird friends, the type that could do him no good.
 
He died before his 28th birthday. He did a lot of drugs usually more than those around him, pretty much on a downward spiral from the beginning. Traveled most of the time and was lonely and a bit paranoid. His manager stole all his money. The question is at what point was he supposed to seek out the church of Christ? He had little guidance from adults other than that associated with drugs.
 
Cases like Jimi Hendrix make me wonder if the church is doing anything or if the pews are full of people comfortable in certainty.
 
As we know Paul says in Romans the Jimis of the world are without excuse for not believing in God but it does say knowing that Jesus has a "church" is natural. So at what point are the Jimi Hendrix's of the world with no guidance supposed to know and to seek out the Church of Christ?
 
Just a question...


Regards,
John Jenkins
865-803-8179 cell
Gatlinburg, TN
Email: jrjenki@yahoo.com 

Entrophy, It ain't what it used to be.