Friday, November 9, 2012

Matthew chapter 18


 

I read in the minutes that someone recommended the men establish some relevant guidelines/procedures concerning the desired term of an elder, a possible re-qualification process and any other relevant conditions which the men may wish to impose. 

 

As you know Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton had different views of the Constitution. Jefferson thought the federal government could do only what the Constitution permits while Hamilton thought the federal government could do whatever the Constitution did not expressly prohibit.

 

With reference to the bible historically the Church of Christ has come down on Jefferson's side in that the church can do only what the bible permits. Other churches have adopted Hamilton's thoughts that the church can do anything the bible does not expressly prohibit thus we have infant baptism and plural marriage thanks to Martin Luther and others.

 

Historically the plea of preachers in the church of Christ has been, "we speak where the Bible speaks and we are silent where the Bible is silent."

 

The bible expressly tells us the church had elders but nowhere does the bible tell us how to get rid of those elders. The bible does not provide for term limits of elders.

 

How about Matthew 18;15-17 as a template for correcting and removing members including members who happen to be elders or deacons?

 

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.  But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.  



John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN



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"Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe."
 —Euripides



Thursday, November 8, 2012

Elders Miscellaneous

 

It is extremely difficult for Americans to intentionally give up "control." As does Dollywood Christians like to believe we practice "servant leadership."

 

Luke told Theophilus "A dispute also arose among them, as to which of them was to be regarded as the greatest. And he said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those in authority over them are called benefactors. But not so with you. Rather, let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader as one who serves." Do we believe that? No. We do not apply what we intellectually understand.

 

Paul told the Christians in Galatia: "For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another."

 

Power is a great attraction for many and some people enjoy being able to exert authority over others. Christians often fail to comprehend the real meaning of power and authority in the kingdom and confuse it with authority in the world.   The centurion's authority is typical of authority in the world: "For I too am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." This is not the kind of authority given to elders in the church.

 

If the bible is so clear regarding the nature of kingdom authority then why is it that so many churches have authoritarian elders?  And why is it that many newly appointed elders feel that their opinions have suddenly become superior to others in the church by virtue of their appointment to a leadership position?  They are ignorant of the bible; they are ignorant of the flock; they fear losing control; they fear false teaching; they fail to appreciate what others are doing.

 

Elders are servants who hold a special office of leadership in the church and because of this, an attitude of submission and deference toward them should exist within the congregation. That is difficult. In the corporate world when an individual is promoted to a leadership or management position they are often required to transfer so they will be leading/managing people other than their use-to-be peers. It is difficult to go from peer to leader/manager for both the peer and the leader/manager.

 

The author of Hebrews told his/her readers: "Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. …Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account.  Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you."

 

Christians are obligated to listen to the advice of their leaders. Elders are to lead by persuading and convincing others to follow them.

 

Leadership requires that the elders give the church a sense of direction. It is foolish for the elders to call the church together and ask them to make an uninformed decision about missions' strategy for example.  The meeting would result in the pooling of ignorance. Kind of describes our bible classes and on occasion the Men's Meeting itself. Communication is job one.

 

The majority are not and will never be the measure of what is right. Not everyone can be satisfied on all occasions and those who find themselves out of step with a consensus of the church should defer to the wishes of the majority, making every decision unanimous.

 

When a man ceases to be qualified he is no longer an elder stubbornly remaining in the position not withstanding. Elders are not temporary nor does the bible support recertification. As with the Constitution, without bible support elders are elders until they resign, or become unqualified.

 

If elders are keeping watch over the souls of the members of the congregation and will have to give an account does their responsibility and accountability extend past their term in office? As with the constitution without a bible example there is no term limit.

 

I believe you were an elder at one time. Did you know the congregation was afraid of you, didn't trust you and wanted to maintain control over you in case the eldership went to your head?  Our elders will know. They were in on the discussion and heard the concerns.  



John Jenkins
865-803-8179  cell
Gatlinburg, TN



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''Facebook is like an endless cocktail party where everyone shows up at a different time and slaps a yellow Post-it note on the refrigerator."
 —New York Times



Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Maybe the Tea_Party Should Rethink

I imagine the Tea-Party is fit to be tied: Obama  decisively re-elected, same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states and anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states. Most folks are not gay and most folks will not have an abortion. Maybe these are not government issues.

Pro-Life is a Non Issue

Being Pro-Life is to be on the losing side of the discussion. If you do not like abortion, do not have one but do not try to interject government into a decision that is not yours.

Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Romans 13:1-7 Submit to Governing Authorities

In his letter to the Romans, Paul calls for Christians to submit to governing authorities, because their authority is derived from God, the State will punish those who do wrong, and bring wrath against them.

 

13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and your will receive his approval, 4 for she is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

 

Christians should obey authorities because they are established by God.


Christians are called to give what they owe the state, whether taxes, debt, respect or honor. Authorities are "God's servants"; nothing more, no matter in what esteem the authorities might hold themselves in. The state's task to punish evil, something that individual Christians must not do. If the state transgresses from this role, it is not acting in accordance with its purpose. Even though God has established the authorities, they are not without judgment.

 

Romans 13:1 echoes to some extent Matthew 22:21 "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God." The most common interpretation of this section is that our ultimate allegiance is to God, but this does not nullify other responsibilities, if not in conflict with our main purpose.

 

That being true, the colonies had no biblical basis for armed rebellion to England thereby forfeiting any right to consider the United States God's people.

Thursday, November 1, 2012

Next Bus to Heaven

On the subject of taking a later bus to heaven does Jesus' comment relate to our thinking concerning our preference to wait for a future bus to heaven?

"Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Does not wanting to leave our spouse or wanting to see our children or grandchildren graduate, marry, have children, etc. instead of being with Jesus suggest we love them more than we love Jesus?

I am not talking about being suicidal just our attitude. Paul said:

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain."

Is remaining here a benefit to Jesus or just our preference?

 

John Jenkins
Gatlinburg, TN
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
''Being an executive requires a combination of charisma, a capacity to sustain boredom, and the ability to shallowly perform on harrying schedules.''
 —Nassim Nichols Taleb
 
 
 

Corinth, Thessalonica, Pigeon Forge

In the 80s sexual harassment was beginning to be recognized by corporations and they established processes to facilitate reporting and subsequent investigations of situations. Our secretary did not appreciate the way her boss, my boss, was treating her and comments he was making to her. As the sage I was, and still am, she consulted with me on what she could do about it. As a manager I had been exposed to various HR presentations on politically correct behavior. My advice was she follow the process. She did. The process required her to report the situation to the HR manager in charge of harassment accusations (also female). The process was for HR to inform the manager of the department of the person making the accusation as well as the manager of the department of the person being accused. Who would have guessed that they would be the same person and the secretary's boss?  He investigated; found no foundation for the accusation and the case was closed. She transferred to another area within the Mead Corporation at a slightly lower level but she was away from him. Don't we just love it when corporations function as designed?

 

The church in Corinth had a situation that was reported to Paul. "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?"  

 

Today GSMCOC has a situation that until recently I would have said other churches would not tolerate but I would have been mistaken. Recently I was told that a former member of GSMCOC is living with her soon to be hubby, a Baptist preacher, in West Virginia. Who would have guessed a Baptist congregation accepting such behavior from their preacher? Surely GSMCOC would not accept such behavior by its preacher. Or would we?

 

In small organizations (Mead was not a small organization but the departments within the corporation were) it is impossible to report questionable behavior without causing a division unless the leaders lead. As with the situation with the secretary at Mead I am sure any investigation of questionable behavior would discover nothing untoward.

 

Paul told the folks in Thessalonica "Abstain from all appearance of evil." What constitutes appearance of evil?

 

We should not be so hard on those folks in Corinth. Would we have behaved any differently if the man who had has father's wife was a GSMCOC leader?

 



John Jenkins
865-803-8179  cell
Gatlinburg, TN



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''Being an executive requires a combination of charisma, a capacity to sustain boredom, and the ability to shallowly perform on harrying schedules.''
 —Nassim Nichols Taleb



Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Silent Women

Have you ever wondered how Paul could approve of women praying and prophesying during public worship in chapter 11 and then a few pages later write that women must remain silent during public worship in chapter 14?

 

 

As I have mentioned I do not know the original languages so I read and see what others who supposedly do know the languages say. It is up to each individual to decide for themselves what they believe. The problem is when we are wrong even with best intentions we do damage to the church. Whether we like it or not there is a time for doubt especially regarding what we believe. In a recent issue of Smithsonian Magazine there is an article concerning an artist, Barbra Kruger, who has an exhibit in Washington DC, entitled "Belief + Doubt." Her aim is at Congress but the church also needs a bit of doubt to go along with belief.  She says adding doubt to belief subtracts something from belief: blind certainty.

 

 

At the close of the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin spoke to his fellow delegates. He called for a unanimous vote, even while acknowledging that he had his own reservations about some of its provisions. Yet he acknowledged his own fallibility and asked them to confront the danger of their certainty as well:
 
 

"Most men "think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error. Yet, when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does..."



Too many of us are certain our views are perfection. Franklin reminds us that a democracy depends not so much on perfect solutions as on humble collaboration.
 
If you decide to read this you may want to read it in bits and pieces.

 

 

I am told there is a word in Greek that means "tie shut," "muzzle." It is often used to describe a kind of forced silence, and could be best translated in to English as "shut up."  It describes how Jesus' answer silenced the Pharisees (Matthew 22:34). In the parable of the wedding feast, the word tells how the man who did not bother to wear a wedding garment remained speechless when confronted by the host (Matthew 22:12).  Jesus used the word as a command to quiet the unclean spirit that he cast out of the man (Mark 1:25) and too still the wind and sea (Mark 4:39).  The word is phimoo and means forcing someone to be silent. When Paul wrote that women are to be silent, he did not use this word, even thought the English translation may imply a command.

 

 

Another word for silence in Greek indicating quietness and stillness is hesuchia.  Paul instructed women to enter into hesuchia in his first letter to Timothy. But he instructed they do so when they are studying. Paul did not use the word regarding women when they are worshiping.

 

 

Instead, Paul chose the Greek word sigao when he wrote "Let the women in the churches be silent." Sigao, I am told indicates voluntary silence. It is used to describe the disciples to remain silent about the transfiguration that they had just witnessed (Luke 9:36) and when Jesus told the Pharisees that if his disciples were silent (as the Pharisees insisted) then the very stones would cry out (Luke 19:40).  It was used to describe Jesus' silence during his trial before Pilate (Mark 14:61) and the silence of the apostles and elders as they listened to a report by Paul and Barnabas when they returned from their missionary journey (Acts 15:12). Sigao can also be a request as when the multitude accompanying Jesus told the insistent beggar to quit yelling (Luke 18:39) or when Peter motioned for the crowd to be silent (Acts 12:17).  

 

 

Sigao is the kind of silence asked for in the midst of disorder and clamor. Paul asked women of the church to keep that kind of silence. The he added "It is a shame for a woman to speak in church." How could Paul acknowledge and advocate women prophesying alongside men during and then denounce women for speaking in church?

 

 

Paul did not write that women are not to preach, or teach, or declare or give a discourse, or proclaim, or affirm, or aver, or speak for something, or any other of the distinctive meanings found in many of those verbs. Paul wrote that women are not to laleo. Lateo can denote the act of saying something quite important. But of all the verbs that can be translated "speak," only lateo can mean simply "talk."

 

 

If someone wished to write in Greek "Please do not talk during the prayers," the verb would have to be lateo. Paul was addressing a congregation where discord and chaos during worship services were common he told the women not to lateo---not to converse. Paul was saying it was shameful for women to keep talking during worship service.

 

 

Why would Paul aim this instruction toward women rather than toward both women and men? The social roles, especially of married women may suggest an answer. Kari Torjesen Malcolm was a missionary in China as was her mother. She told this story:

 

 

My mother used to compare the situation in Corinth to the one she and my father faced in northern China. Back in the 1920s when they were the first to bring God's message to that forgotten area, they found women with bound feet who seldom left their homes and who, unlike men, had never in their whole lives attended a public meeting or a class. They had never been told as little girls, 'Now you must sit still and listen to the teacher.' Their only concept of an assembly was a family feast where everyone talked at once.

 
 
When these women came to my parents' church and gathered on the women's side of the sanctuary, they thought this was a chance to catch up on the news with their neighbors and to ask questions about the story of Jesus they were hearing. Needless to say, along with babies crying and toddlers running about, the women's section got rather noisy! Add to that the temptation for the women to shout their questions to their husbands across the aisle, and you can imagine the chaos. As my mother patiently tried to tell the women that they should listen first and chitchat or ask questions later, she would mutter under her breath, 'Just like Corinth; it just couldn't be more like Corinth.' [Kari Torejsen Malcolm, Women at the Crossroads (USA:IVP, 1982), 73-74]

 

 

Paul approved of women praying and prophesying, during worship. He insisted men and women should be together, and that in Christ they are one. But these were new and radical ideas to both the Jews and the Gentiles. In practice sexual equality among Christians led to a disregard for orderliness and courtesy during worship, especially on the part of women who were unaccustomed to listening to public speakers or to participating in public worship. To those women Paul said "Hush up."

 

 

 



John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN



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''Being an executive requires a combination of charisma, a capacity to sustain boredom, and the ability to shallowly perform on harrying schedules.''
 —Nassim Nichols Taleb



Head coverings and Hair

We believe because we want to believe and our belief is based on our perception of the person telling us the alleged fact.

 

Those in the know tell us what the United States did in Iraq when we removed a legal government and turned their president over to his enemies for execution and then reorganized their entire system of government could be likened to the North, following the civil war, putting the black folks in charge of everything in the South.

 

Women in history have always been considered differently than men. Even in our enlightened society women could not vote until the early part of the 20th century. For a long time they were denied education. Imagine if the Holy Spirit had included in the Bill of Rights in 1791, the right of black women to vote. Imagine Mississippi in the 1860s or even 1960s. Paul had similar considerations. Jesus did not free the slaves. Generally the Bible does not upset cultural norms but neither does it enforce those norms on other cultures. Neither should we.

 

You have to read on the subject of head coverings and hairstyles and come to your own conclusions. As much as Al talks against commentaries Al is a commentator no different than any other commentator. Not knowing the original languages I can only rely on what commentator's or author's think on the subject.

 

My conclusions to-date include: In 1 Corinthians Paul gave theological reason why a Christian man ought not to wear something hanging down from the head while praying or prophesying. He reminded the readers that their head is not Moses, but Christ. Look in Exodus 34 concerning Moses' veil etc. Paul says the question is not what a man does with his head, but what a man says by what he does with his head.  

 

Jewish custom demanded that women too cover their heads when worshiping. If Paul was to be consistent in his insistence on the oneness of men and women in Christ, wouldn't you expect him to give the same instructions to women concerning head coverings as he did to men? But what a woman did with her head held different social significance from what a man did with his.

 

Married Jewish women were obligated to keep their hair bound up on their heads or else covered over whenever they appeared in public---as was the practice of many Greek married women. It was a symbol of their married state, much like a wedding ring today. For a Jewish woman to loosen her hair in public would have been even more dramatic than for a woman to throw her wedding ring away.

 

Therefore, Paul objected to those wives who appeared in public worship with hair hanging loose, uncovered before the eyes of the congregation. It was the same as if they had their hair cut close (the style of prostitutes) or as if they had their heads shaved.  To take such a liberty with her hair would shame a wife's "head," her husband. It was not a matter of a woman's hair being unseemly---it was her 'glory." But she herself is the glory of her husband, and she should not shame him. The question is not what a woman does with her head, but what she says by what she does with her head.

 

Since customs have changed and hairstyles no longer mean what they did in the societies of Paul's' time, his specific instruction are no longer relevant to modern Christians. However, the principle behind these instructions, of being sensitive to what message our dress codes and styles convey to others, still holds.

 

Look for yourself and see what you conclude and don't forget those silent women.



John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN



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''Being an executive requires a combination of charisma, a capacity to sustain boredom, and the ability to shallowly perform on harrying schedules.''
 —Nassim Nichols Taleb



Thursday, October 25, 2012

Model Prayer to save Time and Energy - If adopted it could take several minutes off the length of the assembly

Most prayers are repeat. When we tell God we pray for someone what does that mean? Pray means to call upon in supplication etc. When we tell God we pray for someone we are telling God we supplicate for someone but we forget to supplicate. We only talk about supplicating. Oh yes, I forgot, we believe the Holy Spirit takes failures to supplicate and makes them supplicate. I have this model prayer. It will save time and should cover any and all situations. This should make it easier on the Holy Spirit. I will keep working on the perfect, concise, prayer to the Creator of everything seen and not seen.
 

I(we) pray for everyone and everything for which(whom) I(we) have a duty to pray. Amen.

 

 



John Jenkins
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''Being an executive requires a combination of charisma, a capacity to sustain boredom, and the ability to shallowly perform on harrying schedules.''
 —Nassim Nichols Taleb



Monday, October 22, 2012

God and Elections

The complaint about Obama appears to concern him being too willing to help people while Christians want everyone to take care of themselves. Christians appear to believe if folks cannot buy food they should starve or if they do not have health insurance they should die. If God preferred democracy wouldn't one expect Saul to have included the people in the major decisions? If God preferred capitalism wouldn't one expect Joseph to have handled the Egyptian famine situation differently? Christians are a weird group. When God intervenes in elections Christians are not satisfied. How can God win?

John Jenkins
865-803-8179  cell
Gatlinburg, TN



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''Being an executive requires a combination of charisma, a capacity to sustain boredom, and the ability to shallowly perform on harrying schedules.''
 —Nassim Nichols Taleb



Friday, October 19, 2012

Males....Shut Up

I remember watching the hearings when Anita Hill, a black woman, testified that Clarence Thomas, a black man, was guilty off sexual harassment to a panel of old white men. Now we have men opening their mouth and making stupid comments about abortion. It is not a male issue. Why do males talk so much about something that does not affect them. Abortion is a non-issue for anyone who will not have one. It is not a a male issue, it is not a government issue it is a women issue. Let women debate abortion. In fact it is an issue for a pregnant female no one else. Why do people have to interject themselves into matters that are none of their business.

Sunday, October 14, 2012

Heaven is Real

You can imagine my relief knowing Heaven is real. We in the Church of Christ might want to consider why we never have experiences such as this. If I believed what I am told we believe I would have to look elsewhere.
 
 
Dr. Eben Alexander has taught at Harvard Medical School and has earned a strong reputation as a neurosurgeon. And while Alexander says he's long called himself a Christian, he never held deeply religious beliefs or a pronounced faith in the afterlife.

But after a week in a coma during the fall of 2008, during which his neocortex ceased to function, Alexander claims he experienced a life-changing visit to the afterlife, specifically heaven.

"According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent," Alexander writes in the cover story of this week's edition of Newsweek.

So what exactly does heaven look like?

Alexander says he first found himself floating above clouds before witnessing, "transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamer like lines behind them."

He claims to have been escorted by an unknown female companion and says he communicated with these beings through a method of correspondence that transcended language. Alexander says the messages he received from those beings loosely translated as:

"You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever."

"You have nothing to fear."

"There is nothing you can do wrong."

From there, Alexander claims to have traveled to "an immense void, completely dark, infinite in size, yet also infinitely comforting." He believes this void was the home of God.

After recovering from his meningitis-induced coma, Alexander says he was reluctant to share his experience with his colleagues but found comfort inside the walls of his church. He's chronicled his experience in a new book, "Proof of Heaven: A neurosurgeon's journey into the afterlife," which will be published in late October.

"I'm still a doctor, and still a man of science every bit as much as I was before I had my experience," Alexander writes. "But on a deep level I'm very different from the person I was before, because I've caught a glimpse of this emerging picture of reality. And you can believe me when I tell you that it will be worth every bit of the workit will take us, and those who come after us, to get it right."

 

John Jenkins
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Gatlinburg, TN



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"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
 
 —President Barack Obama, attempting to make the case for government-run health care, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument.


Saturday, October 13, 2012

No Dentist No Visit

On Wednesday night one of the reasons folks gave for wanting to go to heaven was they did not want to go to Hell. What do you suppose God thinks of that? The only reason your children want to come to your house is they do not want to go to the dentist. No dentist, no visit.

 

How much of our vision of heaven in influenced by what we see around us in this world?

 

It was enough for David to know that: goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever (Psalms 23:6). Did he need more details? Did he need gold streets or pearly gates or was it enough to know: … in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore. David was satisfied with looking forward to relationship with God not possible here (Psalm 16:11).

 

Abraham was: looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God (Hebrews 11:10). Was Abraham expecting a literal city; a walled, fortified Jerusalem here or was he looking forward to the security which comes from knowing there is nowhere else he'd rather be.

 

The OT tells us Abraham and other patriarchs admitted they were aliens and strangers on earth. These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city. A better country is a different kind of country one with a spiritual country without walls and fortifications and houses and streets. Not even golden streets (Hebrews 11:13-16).

 

Since we like to speculate do you suppose David or Abraham would wait for the next bus to heaven? Do you suppose Christians in countries where they have no access to clean water, where they do not have enough food to feed their children, would wait for the next bus to heaven? Our culture has corrupted the church and we would prefer to stay here and if it were possible we would accept all the benefits of heaven even if God were not there. As with those folks who want to go to heaven because they do not want to go to hell does anyone want God? Did Jesus die just to provide us a better place to live?

 

No reply is necessary.

Promoting Attendance

In his book Radical, David Platt includes a story about when he was in Sudan. 

"Imagine being in Sudan. You walk into a thatched hut with a small group of Sudanese church leaders, and you sit down to teach them God's Word. As soon as you start, you lose eye contact with all of them. No one is looking at you, and you hardly see their eyes the rest of the time. The reason is they're writing down every word they hear. They come up to you afterward and say, 'Teacher we are going to take everything we have learned from God's Word, translate it into our languages, and teach it in our tribes.' They were not listening to receive but to reproduce.
On a typical Sunday in the assembly of the church some people have their Bibles open, while others don't have a Bible with them. A few people are taking notes but for the most part they are passively sitting in the audience. While some are probably disengaged, others are intently focused on what the preacher is saying, listening to God's Word to hear how it applies to their lives. Few are listening to reproduce."
What if instead of asking "What can I get out of this?" the church asked "How can I listen to his Word so that I am equipped to teach others?"

If those same folks came to GSMCOC when they returned to their tribes would those tribes know more about Al, his family, his work, the things he has done or Jesus?

People have a responsibility to attend but those "leading" in the assembly have a responsibility to provide reasons for them to attend.

When I was on a project for IBM as the Project Manager I was charged to the customer at the rate of $200-$300 an hour. Folks on the project were charged at $50 to $200 an hour. As you would expect the customer did not tolerate time being wasted. I am very aware of how important it is for meetings to stay on topic. If I were to have given a presentation to a customer and talk about myself and tell as many off topic stories as we hear in our assemblies I would have been fired.
 
James 3:1  Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
Do we believe James?
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"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
 
 —President Barack Obama, attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument.


Heaven and Hell

 

On the subjects of Heaven and Hell, are we sure the bible teaches that God created mankind, gave them a relatively short lifespan, at least relative to eternity which has always been and always will be, and if during that short lifespan they do not do things the way he wants them done he will torture them beginning at the point they die forever and beyond?

Young folks today are not buying it.

We tend to take what we read in Revelation as literal fact or worse selectively as literal fact. Those who take John's mention of a "thousand year reign" as literal fact are not likely to agree with others who take as literal fact that only 144,000 will be taken up into heaven. Nor are they likely to accept that John's picture of pearly gates and golden streets is to be taken literally; but they might be happy to believe that those who are thrown into the (literal) lake of fire (literally) will be tormented day and night for ever.

We pick and choose from the possible literal interpretations.

Unless I am mistaken, and obviously I can be, Revelation was written to seven churches in Asia or whomever that phrase refers and that at least some of those folks understood precisely what John was writing about whereas we do not.

Does speculating about Heaven or Hell serve any more of a purpose than speculating about which team will win the game today or which candidate will be the next president? What can excite Christians more than the idea of spending eternity with God, wherever?


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"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
 
 —Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, D.C.


Thursday, October 11, 2012

Heaven

First congratulations on the quick thinking to come up with the term "insightful." 

The list of "things" you read that are not in Heaven such as lust, arguments, coveting etc leads me to believe we will not have free will. Angels have free will and they do not sin and as far as I understand those who don't sin have never sinned but could at any time.  We cannot say that about us. We are beings that have sinned but are given to understand we will change to beings that do not. Doesn't that require that practice start in this phase of eternity and if it does not will we be in Heaven?

 Allowing free will will exist in Heaven what will cause people claiming to be Christian who are prejudiced, argumentative, selfish etc to change or won't they be in Heaven? You said there will be no temptation. James says temptation comes from within. What will cause folks to change? Having our sins forgiven does not change the desire for sinful things. What will cause us to change.

You said our favorite people will be in Heaven and asked who our favorite people are? I forget the specific words you used but a paraphrase would be our favorite people are those with whom we share the same faith. That may be who should be our favorite people but each individual has to answer for themselves. If that is a pre-requisite then those folks whose favorite people are not people with whom they share a faith will not be there. They will be elsewhere with their favorite people.  As when Paul told the Romans the spirit is witness with our spirit that we are children of God the spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God only IF we are children of God. 

Folks mention the valuable things in Heaven. If Christians understood the human cost to mining gold they should not want any amount of it. Same with diamonds and many other items considered precious.

There are people who believe animals will be in Heaven. That requires animals having souls. Would the pit-bull breed be allowed in Heaven?  What criteria must be met for an animal to enter Heaven?

The problem with dreaming of Heaven is it facilitates folks in believing whatever they believe is correct and the facts are we know nothing.  What we want makes no difference. And what could be more important to a Christian than being with God?
I used to think the way you mentioned i.e. not wanting to go to Heaven now because I wanted to watch my grandchilren graduate, get married etc. The one day it dawned on me those are all meaningless compared with Heaven. Is a Christian who does not crave being with God a Christian? If a Christian dreams about anything other than being with God and Jesus a Christian? Just how much of our treasure is stored up in Heaven and how much is stored up here? 
You asked great questions but I doubt if many caught their significance
 

God involving himself in our lives

Concerning the stories last night of the men who survived heart attacks and accidents and you said God had given them additional days.

Recently I read an article about Thomas Jefferson concerning his attitude towards and his treatment of his slaves. He is credited with pioneering the monetizing of slaves. He wrote to one of his plantation managers:

"A child raised every 2 years is of more profit then (sic) the crop of the best laboring man, in this, as in all other cases, providence has made our duties and interests coincide perfectly."

Do you suppose the mothers and fathers of those children agreed with Jefferson? If you accept Jefferson's statement doesn't that mean God put those children in a situation where they would be beaten if they did not work as Jefferson liked and/or sold to other masters thus separating them from their parents.

As folks do today anything that goes well is providence.

The founding of the United States is a great example.
In the most recent edition of the Magnolia Messenger, Cecil May responded to a reader's question concerning our obligation to governments with which we strongly disagree and honoring government. As I do to you from time to time I wrote Cecil May an email. I told him I imagined the person asking the question had President Obama in mind and asked if he would have given a different answer to Thomas Jefferson with King George in mind? I mentioned I have never noticed Bible support for armed rebellion and violent overthrow of the government as appropriate responses.

CM responded:

 "I have thought about the armed rebellion idea, especially as it relates to our Revolutionary War. I have not found a biblical way yet to justify in my own mind Christians being a part of such a thing, though as a practical matter I might find myself in a situation where I would very much want to. I am not saying there is not a biblical way to justify it. Maybe there is. I have not found it yet. However, I definitely do not think we are anywhere near to that situation now."

I told him I agree with him and since I do not see any Bible support for such actions I do not consider the United States ever was a Christian nation. We ignored Jesus' thoughts on the subject as we did Paul's and violated many biblical principles.

 

We know that God wanting something to happen will not make it happen. God wants everyone to be saved and we know that will not happen.

No amount of observations of white swans can allow the conclusion that all swans are white, but the observation of a single black swan is sufficient to refute that conclusion. ---Karl Popper

 
Giving God credit for things he does not do encourages folks to blame God for things he did not do.

 

 
If you want to read the questions and Cecil Mays' response go to

 

http://www.magnoliamessenger.com/Past%20Issues/files/2012-07.pdf

 

and scan down to page 3.
 
I will not leave you alone, again.


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"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
 
 —Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, D.C.


Tuesday, October 2, 2012

For Your Cogitation


Al,

 

As you probably know Groupthink is a term coined by a social psychologist Irving Janis.  


 

Eight symptoms of groupthink:

 

  1. Illusion of invulnerability –Creates excessive optimism that encourages taking extreme risks.
  2. Collective rationalization – Members discount warnings and do not reconsider their assumptions.
  3. Belief in inherent morality – Members believe in the rightness of their cause and therefore ignore the ethical or moral consequences of their decisions.
  4. Stereotyped views of out-groups – Negative views of "enemy" make effective responses to conflict seem unnecessary.
  5. Direct pressure on dissenters – Members are under pressure not to express arguments against any of the group's views.
  6. Self-censorship – Doubts and deviations from the perceived group consensus are not expressed.
  7. Illusion of unanimity – The majority view and judgments are assumed to be unanimous.
  8. Self-appointed 'mindguards' – Members protect the group and the leader from information that is problematic or contradictory to the group's cohesiveness, view, and/or decisions.

 


Groupthink can lead to the demise of governments, corporations, and groups of all sort.




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"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
 
 —Marion Barry, former mayor of Washington, D.C.


Sunday, September 30, 2012

Not Worth Copying. . .

Jesus did not believe this example was worth following:

Exodus 12:8-12

    They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled in water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. And you shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until the morning you shall burn.  In this manner you shall eat it: with your belt fastened, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord's Passover.  For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord. 

Tuesday, September 11, 2012

How Obama Made His Millions

Anyone who believes a government employee or elect official made his millions just like everyone else has a screw loose. Remember how congress can act on insider information? Remember lobbyists who just might give financial advice to a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who will inform Obama? Whitewash it as you like all politicians including Obama are dishonest, unethical, immoral, will take care of themselves first,those who give them money and last and least the voter if convenient. Naive citizens are stupid citizens.

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"It is enough the people know there was an election. Those who cast the vote decide nothing, those who count the vote decide everything." 
 
---Joseph Stalin

Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Syndromes that Take Hold of Executive’s Behavior


In his book Why Smart Executives Fail Sydney Finkelstein identifies seven habits of unsuccessful people:

 

They see themselves and their companies as dominating their environment;

 

They identify so completely with their company that there is no clear boundary between their personal interests and their corporation's interests;

 

They think they have all the answers;

 

They ruthlessly eliminate anyone who is not 100 percent behind them;

 

They are consummate company spokespersons, obsessed with the company image;

 

They underestimate major obstacles;

 

They stubbornly rely on what worked for them in the past.

 

Finkelstein discovered four destructive patterns of behavior that set it, without anyone noticing them well before the business goes under.

 

            Flawed executive mind-sets that throw off a company's perception of reality;

 

Delusional attitudes that keep this inaccurate reality in place;

 

Breakdowns in communications systems developed to handle potential urgent information;

 

Leadership qualities that keep a companies executives from correcting their course.

 

Long before there are obvious danger signs, several of these syndromes can take hold of executive's behavior.  While the business might appear outwardly healthy, the inner mechanisms are breaking down.

 

The folks around Sadaam Hussein did not tell him the truth out of concern he would kill them. The folks around Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley would not try to dissuade them from some action out of concern he would fire them after all Michael and Elvis were their meal ticket. Do the folks around Al Behel not tell him the truth out of concern they will hurt his feelings?

 

People in the public after years of doing what they do get to the point where they believe "their audience" actually cares what they think on any given subject. "Their audience" is only interested in what the individual does, sings, tells jokes, preach, teach etc.

 

There is a woman at the Smoky Mountain Opry, who for some reason, thinks the audience cares how much she loves and appreciates her husband. Anita Bryant thought people cared what she believed about God. James Rogers thinks people care about his family. As does Al Behel.

 

There are plenty of examples of people who once they stop taking advice go down hill quickly.

 

Sunday evening Al mentioned that a woman told him that morning he should preach more bible. When he told the story he laughed after all as he explained he had used 40 or so verses in his morning sermon. He has used that number before so I do not believe him. He did talk on John 17 so my guess is he is including every verse in his count. I am not sure why he tells us that story unless he is looking for validation that he uses plenty of bible verses in his talks. Eventually you will be able to listen to the sermon on the Internet and judge for yourself. Linda is behind some weeks. As for me, I heard it and he spent the first ten minutes as well as periodically during his presentation talking about himself and how great he is and how he knows everyone and how all success if because of his involvement. You have heard it all before. He repeatedly refers to the church as an audience (spectators and listeners to a performance). I understand preachers have to be egotistical just to do what they do but at some point reality will set in. At some point Al's friends will be honest with him.

 

Years ago when Herman suggested the men discuss the quality of Al's sermons and the entire meeting agreed with the exception of Dan and Bud who detonated the meeting Howard in his way talked to Al. Al accepted the comments but made clear to Howard that Al would have to be himself stories and all. If and when we have elders my guess is they will have their work cutout for them.  

 

 


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"It is enough the people know there was an election. Those who cast the vote decide nothing, those who count the vote decide everything." 
 
---Joseph Stalin